Baldur's Gate 3 (BG3): Avoid combat entirely by defeating all Thorms with these dialogue choices (2024)

There are many instances where you can avoid combat and talk it out inBaldur’s Gate 3, but the Thorm bosses you find in the Shadow-Cursed Lands can all be defeated with the right dialogue choices. Not just defeated as in incapacitated or they let you get what you want — with the right dialogue choices and successful skill checks, you can eliminate every Thorm boss in BG3. Here’s how!

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Note: To get to the Thorm bosses, you would benefit greatly from having all three Moonlanterns on you at all times to thwart the Shadow Curse.

Best way to defeat all Thorm bosses inBaldur’s Gate 3| Malus, Gerringothe, Thisobald

Yes, you can defeat every Thorm boss inBaldur’s Gate 3 with the right dialogue options, but you won’t pass the extremely high skill checks without good Charisma and proficiencies. Have the party member with the most Charisma, like a Bard or a Warlock, talk to the Thorm bosses to have the best chances at defeating them all through conversations.

How to defeat Thisobald in conversation

Thisobald Thorm is found in The Waning Moon tavern directly west of the Moonrise Towers fast travel point.

To beat Thisobald in conversation, you need to pass several Saving Throws and Performance checks to out-drink Thisobald. I believe there are three Saving Throw checks which you should pass by selecting your class proficiency advantage if there is one and three Performance checks when you tell stories of your adventures.

For a full breakdown of beating Thisobald Thorm in combat and conversation, check out our guide.

How to defeat Gerringothe in conversation

Gerringothe is the Thorm covered in gold and is found at the Tollhouse northeast of Moonrise Towers. Go to the center of Tollhouse and walk up the stairs to find Gerringothe.

After giving Gerringothe one gold, I chose the dialogue option about not handing out gold for little in return. Keep asking questions instead of attacking or giving her gold and you’ll eventually get more dialogue options. I got a Monk-specific dialogue option that allowed me to caution Gerringothe about the ensnaring nature of gold. My check was a DC 18, and I think most checks will be around that.

After you get Gerringothe to start questioning herself, you can make a Persuasion, Deception, or Intimidation skill check. Go with whatever you’re most proficient in because these checks will be hard to pass. Whatever you choose, the DC is 21, so you need a critical success to pass or proficiencies and advantages to help out.

After successfully passing your skill check, Gerringothe and all her minions will explode. Be sure to grab the Twist of Fortune Morningstar.

I’ve also seen people on Reddit say that if you give her all your gold, you can start combat and shove her off a ledge to deal around 600 damage which immediately kills Gerringothe. Like always, there are multiple ways of solving this puzzle.

How to defeat Malus in conversation

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Malus Thorm is found in the House of Healing northwest of Moonrise Towers. There are many options to defeat Malus through dialogue options which makes taking him down all the more fun.

To defeat Malus in conversation, I chose the dialogue options that play along with Malus’ twisted experiment. You can then roll an Investigation, Religion, or Persuasion skill check to continue. The DC is 16, so pick whatever you’re proficient in.

I chose Persuasion and had the nurses turn on their master. I didn’t have them turn on each other because if you do that, you need to pass another skill check to have Malus kill himself.

And that is how you defeat the three Thorm bosses in conversations. Of course, if you fail, you’ll need to engage in combat and beat each Thorm boss in different ways. I doubt Ketheric Thorm can be defeated with a simple conversation like the other Thorm bosses can, but we’ll have to see. I haven’t gotten that far and I haven’t found research on that yet.

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Baldur's Gate 3 (BG3): Avoid combat entirely by defeating all Thorms with these dialogue choices (2024)

FAQs

Can you avoid fighting Thorm BG3? ›

End Of Act Two

Starting off with an honorable mention, Ketheric Thorm, as the main boss of the second act of Baldur's Gate 3, a fight cannot be avoided.

Can you avoid combat in BG3? ›

If a fight is not mandatory, simply run away and press the camp button to end combat and spawn safely in camp. Combine the spells Enhance Leap and Feather Fall to jump past encounters and cover large distances, avoiding combat and puzzles.

How to beat gerringothe thorm in BG3 dialogue? ›

Gerringothe Thorm has only one demand: gold. Two ways to give Gerringothe gold are tossing a single coin or giving a set amount directly. Tossing a coin will unlock a new Deception check (necessary to defeat Gerringothe without fighting her) but won't do much else.

How to beat Thorm in BG3? ›

He's susceptible to spell effects like Hold Person, and he's easily knocked Prone thanks to his lackluster Dexterity stat. Team up on him, using Ice spells or Shield Bash attacks to knock him Prone, use Hold Person, and generally go all out against Ketheric.

How to skip Thorm fight? ›

When Apostle of Myrkul comes out of the pit, you will be officially initiating Phase 3 of the boss battle against Ketheric Thorm in Baldur's Gate 3. You can actually skip this entire part if you successfully persuade Ketheric to repent for his sins in the conversation before the fight.

Should you drink Thorm in BG3? ›

You Should Drink With Thisobald Thorm In Baldur's Gate 3

Choosing to drink the liquid instead of faking it will require a constitution saving throw in place of the checks. Failing it will make the character participating in the dialogue drunk, which ratchets up the difficulty of the general conversation.

Do you get experience for avoiding fights in BG3? ›

There is xp for resolving some situations through dialog, but not necessarily for avoiding combat. For example, if you sneak past the goblin scout camp just before the ruined temple, you won't get any xp for avoiding them.

Is it better to talk or fight in BG3? ›

99% of fights that start after conversation put you in the worst possible position. more often then not if you know its going to a fight its always better to just reload after getting the convo and start the fight without talking. also the amount of 4 v 20 fights are staggering.

Is it possible to play Baldur's Gate 3 without fighting? ›

For others, it's an absolute roadblock that makes it hard to progress in the game. We've given some general tips to help you excel in combat, but honestly, Baldur's Gate 3 has enough options that let you circumvent combat entirely that you can make it through entire swaths of the game without raising your blade.

How many Thorms are there in BG3? ›

Three other individuals with the surname Thorm were encountered by adventurers within the shadow-cursed lands surrounding Reithwin: Malus Thorm, Ketheric's physician uncle; Gerringothe Thorm, the toll collector; and Thisobald Thorm, the brewer who states that he is Ketheric Thorm's son.

Should I give Thorm gold BG3? ›

Is Giving Gerringothe Gold Worth It? Yes, it is. But only if you have 5000 Gold on you. If you have more than 5k Gold on your person and you give it all to her, she will become non-hostile and give you the Signed Trade Visa, a one-time use level 6 spell scroll for the spell Flesh To Gold.

How to seduce Astarion? ›

How to romance Astarion in Baldur's Gate 3
  1. Supporting his whims.
  2. Showing support for him concerning his condition.
  3. Aligning with characters typically referred to as monsters, such as Goblins.
  4. Being ruthless.
  5. Displaying dramatics.
  6. Presenting displays of power.
  7. Appreciating fine things.
  8. Demonstrating cruelty.
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Is Isobel Ketheric's daughter? ›

Isobel Thorm was a half-elf cleric of Selûne and daughter of general Ketheric Thorm.

What happens if Ketheric kills himself? ›

Stage 2 (Mind Flayer Colony)

On a success, Ketheric will kill himself and the battle will skip directly to phase two. Otherwise, a fight will ensue. Ketheric will stand on a raised circular platform before the party.

How to make ketheric thorm not invulnerable? ›

The first step should be to free Dame Aylin, the Nightsong, from her prison at the back of the arena. Until you do this, Ketheric is invulnerable. Use an ability like Misty Step to get there quicker. AOE abilities are going to be your best friend in this fight.

Can you do moonrise towers without fighting? ›

If you do it fast enough you would not need to fight the guards. They still will try to capture you and will be hostile but only in prison, the rest of the moonrise tower will act as if nothing happened.

Can you convince Ketheric to not fight? ›

Clues are found inside Moonrise Towers, specifically within Thorm's chamber and Isobel's old room. Discovering Ketheric's tragic backstory will aid players in persuading him to atone for his actions and skip a phase of the boss fight in Baldur's Gate 3.

Can you side with Thorm BG3? ›

Joining forces with Ketheric Thorm, the leader of the Absolute's army, is not possible, as the encounter ultimately goes haywire and leads to a boss fight. While there are other options to serve the goals of the enemy, no major outcome in the game revolves around serving the Absolute.

Should you let Jaheira fight with you? ›

You must speak to her before you can continue. When fighting Ketheric Thorm, it can be tempting to have Jaheira lead the army of Harpers, but your best bet to keep her safe is to have her fight alongside you.

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